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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  andreskbr » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:54 am

My taste says Swiss system, but I'm not the community. Host small tournaments, make tests, and see what is the setting the players, viewers and admins enjoy the most. AoC could gain extra activity and prepare ideas for next major tournaments.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  Skittle » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:31 am

The problem with the swiss system is that there is absolutely no delay possible because u cant even draw the matches of the next round without all matches beeing played.. and after 3-5 rounds it is totally random, we once played like 7 in germany and it was still very close in all positions
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  SiFly » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:34 am

  05 Aug 2017, 07:31 GMT » Skittle wrote:
The problem with the swiss system is that there is absolutely no delay possible because u cant even draw the matches of the next round without all matches beeing played.. and after 3-5 rounds it is totally random, we once played like 7 in germany and it was still very close in all positions


Yeah it forces people to play in time...

And Swiss system is a bad system for anything else than a rough qualifications system.. since people can be lucky with matchups etc. Purely a low effort no seeding requirement to start a tournament off and continue with top 8/16/32.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  kw1k000000 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:00 am

GSL system is best. Lowest number of games and keeps every set relevant.

16 teams, 4 groups of 4 teams each. Followed by double elimination for top 8 teams.

More than 16 team tournaments are waste. We could have 8 direct invites and remaining 8 filled by a single elimination qualifier to keep things moving fast.

Round Robin in each rounds involving team of 1600 players is a total waste.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  andreskbr » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:14 am

  05 Aug 2017, 09:00 GMT » kw1k000000 wrote:
GSL system is best. Lowest number of games and keeps every set relevant.

16 teams, 4 groups of 4 teams each. Followed by double elimination for top 8 teams.

More than 16 team tournaments are waste. We could have 8 direct invites and remaining 8 filled by a single elimination qualifier to keep things moving fast.

Round Robin in each rounds involving team of 1600 players is a total waste.


The 1600 players who choose to play such settings disagree. Tournament is an unique opportunity to play different settings and take a great challenge.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  nimanoe » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:38 am

  05 Aug 2017, 04:30 GMT » thepitzaboy wrote:
Is there a comparison of total games(for tournament completion) per system by total # of players?

For 4 players:
Round Robin system has 6 matches.
GSL system has 5 matches.
Swiss system should not be used for 4 players

For 16 players:
Round Robin has 4*6=24 matches (4 groups of 4 players)
GSL system has 4*5=20 matches (4 groups of 4 players)
Swiss system has 8+8+8+6+3=33 matches (played over 5 weeks)
or 8+8+6=22 matches if you're using the shorter, more inaccurate version
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  kw1k000000 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:44 am

  05 Aug 2017, 10:14 GMT » andreskbr wrote:
  05 Aug 2017, 09:00 GMT » kw1k000000 wrote:
GSL system is best. Lowest number of games and keeps every set relevant.

16 teams, 4 groups of 4 teams each. Followed by double elimination for top 8 teams.

More than 16 team tournaments are waste. We could have 8 direct invites and remaining 8 filled by a single elimination qualifier to keep things moving fast.

Round Robin in each rounds involving team of 1600 players is a total waste.


The 1600 players who choose to play such settings disagree. Tournament is an unique opportunity to play different settings and take a great challenge.


Nothing stops you or anyone from doing that in rated games.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  nimanoe » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:51 am

  05 Aug 2017, 07:31 GMT » Skittle wrote:
The problem with the swiss system is that there is absolutely no delay possible because u cant even draw the matches of the next round without all matches beeing played..

Yes, that's a big problem indeed, and giving AWs fast won't really help if the underdog gets the AW, since then for the next round the players/teams who lost will have to play a team way better and players/teams who won will have an easier opponent.

and after 3-5 rounds it is totally random, we once played like 7 in germany and it was still very close in all positions

I don't think the Swiss system should be used to determine at what position players/teams finish, but to determine which players/teams will get eliminated before the next stage of a tournament. Not sure if the players who got 4 wins/losses after the fourth round qualified/got eliminated? If they didn't, then the system would only become less accurate I think, since it is more about luck getting a lower placed opponent, since you'll already have played most people around your own skill.
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  nimanoe » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:55 am

  05 Aug 2017, 10:44 GMT » kw1k000000 wrote:
  05 Aug 2017, 10:14 GMT » andreskbr wrote:
  05 Aug 2017, 09:00 GMT » kw1k000000 wrote:
GSL system is best. Lowest number of games and keeps every set relevant.

16 teams, 4 groups of 4 teams each. Followed by double elimination for top 8 teams.

More than 16 team tournaments are waste. We could have 8 direct invites and remaining 8 filled by a single elimination qualifier to keep things moving fast.

Round Robin in each rounds involving team of 1600 players is a total waste.


The 1600 players who choose to play such settings disagree. Tournament is an unique opportunity to play different settings and take a great challenge.


Nothing stops you or anyone from doing that in rated games.


This topic is about what system to use, not which players are allowed to play.

If you don't want 1600 to play in tournaments, please make your own topic
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Re: Looking for an alternative for Round Robin:

Postby  _Ra_ » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm

  04 Aug 2017, 22:58 GMT » TheViper wrote:
Always wanted to see the GSL format in AOE2.


We had one before, a long time ago. I think Chris won it ?
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