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Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  Ghazna » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:41 am

Isn't it too much that enemy gets free halbs, along with faster arbs and siege rams? Idk, I find it quite annoying to play against this bonus, as your cav becomes useless immediately on imp, and you can't match their arbs with your own archers either. They have entire siege line as well..

Idk if they should even get halbs, because they already have heavy camels? Vikings and Aztecs miss halbs to compensate for their good early game.. Ethiopians seem to don't care :roll:

Perhaps halbs could be removed entirely? If that's too weak, give plate barding armor to strengthen camel as an option?
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  Influenza » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:57 am

  30 Nov 2017, 04:41 GMT » Ghazna wrote:
Isn't it too much that enemy gets free halbs, along with faster arbs and siege rams? Idk, I find it quite annoying to play against this bonus, as your cav becomes useless immediately on imp, and you can't match their arbs with your own archers either. They have entire siege line as well..

Idk if they should even get halbs, because they already have heavy camels? Vikings and Aztecs miss halbs to compensate for their good early game.. Ethiopians seem to don't care :roll:

Perhaps halbs could be removed entirely? If that's too weak, give plate barding armor to strengthen camel as an option?

YES lets go back to aok where everything made sense
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  Poxo » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:44 am

They are just like brit but with worse eco bonus. (Tc one) therefore they get free halb and full siege. Making them a good civ in... All the stages of the game, feudal, Castle, early and late imp.

Very well balanced.

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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  BruZi » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:18 pm

  30 Nov 2017, 04:57 GMT » Influenza wrote:
  30 Nov 2017, 04:41 GMT » Ghazna wrote:
Perhaps halbs could be removed entirely?

YES lets go back to aok where everything made sense

I'm sure he doesn't mean to remove halbs from the game, but from the civ.
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  misafeco » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 pm

Meso civs completely own them (eagles>anything Ethiopians can train). They don't even get champion to counter eagles. Malians and Goths also own them with the extra infantry pierce armor units. Briton archers outrange them and range>rate of fire. I think they also have problems against good CA civs like Huns and Magyars. Add Berbers because of the Camel Archer. That's already 9 civilizations. If I'm not wrong, they were already nerfed in recent patches. If you also take halbs away they will simply suck.
Fun fact: Ethiopians only won 4 games (out of 15) so far in the King of the Desert tournament. 2 vs. Malay, 1 vs. Vietnamese and 1 vs. Burmese.
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  wAkKo » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:07 pm

  30 Nov 2017, 12:23 GMT » misafeco wrote:
Meso civs completely own them (eagles>anything Ethiopians can train). They don't even get champion to counter eagles. Malians and Goths also own them with the extra infantry pierce armor units. Briton archers outrange them and range>rate of fire. I think they also have problems against good CA civs like Huns and Magyars. Add Berbers because of the Camel Archer. That's already 9 civilizations. If I'm not wrong, they were already nerfed in recent patches. If you also take halbs away they will simply suck.
Fun fact: Ethiopians only won 4 games (out of 15) so far in the King of the Desert tournament. 2 vs. Malay, 1 vs. Vietnamese and 1 vs. Burmese.


Shotels work good vs ew, and they run fast too. I've even tested them vs goth husks / champs combos, and they do pretty ok.

The weakness is the low hp and their resistance to ranged units.
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  Influenza » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:42 pm

  30 Nov 2017, 12:18 GMT » BruZi wrote:
  30 Nov 2017, 04:57 GMT » Influenza wrote:
  30 Nov 2017, 04:41 GMT » Ghazna wrote:
Perhaps halbs could be removed entirely?

YES lets go back to aok where everything made sense

I'm sure he doesn't mean to remove halbs from the game, but from the civ.

Me too I'm just reading what I wanted to read
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  TriRem » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:45 pm

Archer attack 10% faster (down from ~18%)
+50f/50g in feudal, 100/100 in castle and 150/150 in imp
Pikeman/halb upgrade are instantaneous & cost no food

That would be my balance changes to Ethiopians. They still get the convenience of the early pike/halb but don't get to save the massive 600 gold of the halb upgrade.
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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  Tarsiz » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:46 pm

  30 Nov 2017, 04:57 GMT » Influenza wrote:
YES lets go back to aok where everything made sense


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Re: Ethopians free halbs annoying

Postby  misafeco » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:07 pm

  30 Nov 2017, 13:07 GMT » wAkKo wrote:
  30 Nov 2017, 12:23 GMT » misafeco wrote:
Meso civs completely own them (eagles>anything Ethiopians can train). They don't even get champion to counter eagles. Malians and Goths also own them with the extra infantry pierce armor units. Briton archers outrange them and range>rate of fire. I think they also have problems against good CA civs like Huns and Magyars. Add Berbers because of the Camel Archer. That's already 9 civilizations. If I'm not wrong, they were already nerfed in recent patches. If you also take halbs away they will simply suck.
Fun fact: Ethiopians only won 4 games (out of 15) so far in the King of the Desert tournament. 2 vs. Malay, 1 vs. Vietnamese and 1 vs. Burmese.


Shotels work good vs ew, and they run fast too. I've even tested them vs goth husks / champs combos, and they do pretty ok.

The weakness is the low hp and their resistance to ranged units.

Let's say they're OK vs ew, but terrible vs. ew+archer/slinger combo. All your opponent needs to do is to micro.
Against champs they do well (higher attack/lower HP cancels each other out) but certainly not cost effective as they cost almost 2x as much gold. Goths can spam husk/champ mixed and easily beat your arb/shotel army while using less gold.
Shotels are amazing against trash I'll give them that.
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