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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  Clemensor » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:54 pm

  24 Dec 2017, 21:42 GMT » Tocaraca wrote:
Well that's clearly BS because Ethiopians frequently do Pikemen + Crossbowmen and it works fine vs Knights + Crossbowmen


Pikemen=/=Longswords
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:29 pm

Pikemen=/=Longswords


In this context (following Melkor's logic) they're very similar, they have low HP and low pierce armor rather than high HP and high pierce armor which means that Pikemen + Crossbowmen should lose to Knights + Crossbowmen (the same way that apparently Long Swordsmen + Crossbowmen should lose to Eagle Warriors + Crossbowmen).
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  asdfasdfasdf1 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:39 pm

  24 Dec 2017, 22:29 GMT » Tocaraca wrote:
Pikemen=/=Longswords


In this context (following Melkor's logic) they're very similar, they have low HP and low pierce armor rather than high HP and high pierce armor which means that Pikemen + Crossbowmen should lose to Knights + Crossbowmen (the same way that apparently Long Swordsmen + Crossbowmen should lose to Eagle Warriors + Crossbowmen).

let's just forget they cost less than half of LS and move ~15% faster
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  Tocaraca » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:20 am

let's just forget they cost less than half of LS and move ~15% faster


Pikemen cost 35 food and 25 wood whereas Long Swordsmen cost 60 food and 20 gold, that's 60 resources compared to 80 resources, which is 2/3 the price, not "less than half" the price. And even if we take into account the fact that longswords cost more food (and food is the most difficult resource to aquire in castle age), it's still 3.06 villager minutes to gather the amount of resources for a Pikeman whereas it's 4.5 villager minutes for a Long Swordsman, which is still not "less than half." Pikes also move 11% faster than LS, not 15% faster. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from.

Still I get the point. I do think making LS move as fast as pikes (1.0 speed) and decreasing the upgrade cost would be very beneficial for longswords and make them as approachable as Pikemen are to be used against Knights (which is still not great if you're not Ethiopians or Goths but is still better than going LS).
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  _Ra_ » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:49 am

  24 Dec 2017, 21:40 GMT » _Melkor wrote:
Speed would help but ultimately the problem is that they are a terrible combo unit. In castle age you want kt + archer or ew + archer because of the mixture of pierce armour/ high hp and archer units. Long swordsmen have neither, so even if you could convince the ew to stay still and fight, ew + xbow would still win over long sword + xbow.


In 2005-2007 time there were a lot of Celts vs Aztecs games with long swords + mangonel combo dominating.

Micro evolved a lot though, so you might be right

I always thought facing AZtecs with Celts is a walk in the park for Celts...
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  asdfasdfasdf1 » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:05 pm

  25 Dec 2017, 01:20 GMT » Tocaraca wrote:
let's just forget they cost less than half of LS and move ~15% faster


Pikemen cost 35 food and 25 wood whereas Long Swordsmen cost 60 food and 20 gold, that's 60 resources compared to 80 resources, which is 2/3 the price, not "less than half" the price. And even if we take into account the fact that longswords cost more food (and food is the most difficult resource to aquire in castle age), it's still 3.06 villager minutes to gather the amount of resources for a Pikeman whereas it's 4.5 villager minutes for a Long Swordsman, which is still not "less than half." Pikes also move 11% faster than LS, not 15% faster. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from.

Still I get the point. I do think making LS move as fast as pikes (1.0 speed) and decreasing the upgrade cost would be very beneficial for longswords and make them as approachable as Pikemen are to be used against Knights (which is still not great if you're not Ethiopians or Goths but is still better than going LS).

mb meant less than half the food. It's even worse than that because you need to invest a lot of wood into farms
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  Tocaraca » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:51 pm

mb meant less than half the food. It's even worse than that because you need to invest a lot of wood into farms


Nope, that's already factored in to my calculation. The 16.5 food per minute that I use is also taking into account the amount of time it takes to get the wood for a farm.
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  Shah_Nadir » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:25 am

If there is a nerf it should be small. Remember meso don't get knights. Also longswords could be buffed a bit. Make it a cheaper upgrade and/or give them +1 armor and a little more speed.
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  gmischa » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:35 pm

Tocaraca go back to reddit please noobs like melkor clearly know nothing LUL
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Re: Idea on how to nerf castle age Eagle Warrior flood

Postby  TheSerpent_ » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:49 pm

  26 Dec 2017, 11:35 GMT » gmischa wrote:
Tocaraca go back to reddit please noobs like melkor clearly know nothing LUL

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