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Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:41 am

Exactly what the title says. I personally think both the Scorpion and the Heavy Scorpion are mostly fine but I'd like to hear what pros think about it. Scorpions are sometimes used in castle age and is like a mini Mangonel against xbows, and Heavy Scorpions are kinda like Arbalests which are much better vs Huskarls, Elite Eagle Warriors, Paladins, and especially Elite Skirmishers, but worse vs siege weapons like Onagers and Bombard Cannons, and are less mobile. So are hscorps actually better on closed maps than arbs are (on not just BF, but also Arena, or other maps with less space to fight in, like Oasis) or are there still better options?
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Redeagl » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:00 am

Just what I needed. Time to get some snacks and check the thread again a few hours from now Kappa.
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:56 am

  14 Jan 2018, 00:00 GMT » Redeagl wrote:
Just what I needed. Time to get some snacks and check the thread again a few hours from now Kappa.


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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Brainless » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:20 am

agree. Need a little buff

put them on elephants backs
and put a monk on top of it (drunk)
+ must have ICBM range
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:19 am

  14 Jan 2018, 01:20 GMT » Brainless wrote:
agree. Need a little buff

put them on elephants backs
and put a monk on top of it (drunk)
+ must have ICBM range


Sounds very fair and balanced
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  iamjuba » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:32 am

  14 Jan 2018, 01:20 GMT » Brainless wrote:
agree. Need a little buff

put them on elephants backs
and put a monk on top of it (drunk)
+ must have ICBM range


what we really need are scorps mounted on camels backs. bonus damage against seige with all the perks of being a camel
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Redeagl » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:22 am

How about a Paladin with a Khmer heavy scorpion? And give it a Seige Onager so that it can kill archers easier. A good unit that is not too OP.
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  speer141 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:49 am

They should make each bolt have 5 tiles radius dammage and fix base dammage to 25.
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Carlos Ferdinand » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:31 am

Yes, they are better off with some buffs IMO, especially the non-heavy scorpion.

In the balance patch I had made I buffed the whole scorpion-line's speed by 10% and the non-heavy scorpion's attack from 12 to 14.
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Re: Is the Scorpion line balanced or does it need buffs?

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:03 pm

  14 Jan 2018, 09:31 GMT » Carlos Ferdinand wrote:
Yes, they are better off with some buffs IMO, especially the non-heavy scorpion.

In the balance patch I had made I buffed the whole scorpion-line's speed by 10% and the non-heavy scorpion's attack from 12 to 14.


I agree with the movement speed buff, but not with the attack damage buff, since regular Scorpions already see a fair bit of use and can be better than mangos in a couple of situations.

All I wanna see if the Heavy Scorpion get 8 pierce armor. If the Scorpion has 7 pierce armor in castle age then the Heavy Scorpion logically should have 8 pierce armor in imp, right? They feel like they die too quickly to mass archer fire especially from units like rattans and camel archers to me, when they’re supposed to be an archer counter.
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