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Re: Are Mongols shit now?

Postby  Zuppi » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:01 pm

yes its official mongols are shit now
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Re: Are Mongols shit now?

Postby  Tocaraca » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:48 am

  04 Feb 2018, 19:01 GMT » Zuppi wrote:
yes its official mongols are shit now


10/10 input, topic closed
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Re: Are Mongols shit now?

Postby  HyunAOP » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:30 pm

Can we agree in 1v1 on equal skill level. Mongols suck vs Berbers ?

K thx
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Re: Are Mongols shit now?

Postby  k_the_foodie » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:44 am

  09 Feb 2018, 14:30 GMT » HyunAOP wrote:
Can we agree in 1v1 on equal skill level. Mongols suck vs Berbers ?

K thx


Mongols do have slight edge in early game and in late game, if mongol player gets to seige rams, Berbers may have problems.
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Re: Are Mongols shit now?

Postby  Tocaraca » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:45 am

  09 Feb 2018, 14:30 GMT » HyunAOP wrote:
Can we agree in 1v1 on equal skill level. Mongols suck vs Berbers ?


It's certainly a win for the Berbers overall in that matchup, however I wouldn't say it's that bad. Mongols have plenty of other options other than just the Mangudai line. The Mongols have a clear early game advantage, with a much better economy bonus. The Berbers are better in castle age, with not only access to the strongest castle age unit called the Camel Archer but also 15% cheaper Knights/Camels, and the Mongols have no eco bonus for castle age whereas Berbers at least do have that small eco bonus of 10% faster moving vills. Berbers will continue to have an advantage in early imperial age, however, in mid imperial and late imperial, Mongols have an advantage. Much better late game than the Berbers. Drill Siege Rams are so good, and if you can get to it, Drill Siege Onagers are almost unstoppable (they straight up COUNTER Bombard Cannons, which usually counter SOs). Drill Heavy Scorpions could be good as well (scorps <3).

Actually that's basically it. The only advantage Mongols have in late game is their siege... everything else is better than/equal to the Berbers. Berbers have better cavalry, both have the same infantry, Mongols have Arbalests but Berbers have Elite Genitours, Berbers have the winning unique unit in the matchup, Berbers have a better economy, etc.

IMO, Mongols should get Two-Man Saw. Lacking it in AoC was balanced because their late game deathball was so strong and destroyed everything, but now it's been power-creeped and directly nerfed too, I don't see why they can't get either 2ManSaw or Crop Rotation
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